Josh Goldberg joins Amy and Brad to unpack the recent ESLint V9 release and its impact on the TypeScript ecosystem. From explaining the nuances of flat config migration to debating the proper separation between Prettier and ESLint, Josh offers practical advice for improving developer workflows. The conversation covers Josh's journey as a full-time open source maintainer, the Open Source Pledge initiative, and best practices for implementing linting in CI/CD pipelines. Plus, Josh shares behind-the-scenes details from the inaugural SquiggleConf event.Chapter Marks00:00 - Intro00:48 - Welcome Josh Goldberg01:06 - Working in open source and getting paid03:10 - The Open Source Pledge04:49 - ESLint V9 and flat config changes07:25 - Migration challenges with flat config09:52 - Understanding ESLint config format11:50 - How most people use ESLint16:20 - Prettier vs ESLint responsibilities18:47 - Conflict between Prettier and ESLint21:26 - TypeScript's role in ESLint25:01 - TypeScript ESLint packages explained27:43 - Linters for other languages29:31 - ESLint in CI/CD pipelines32:03 - Auto-fixing in different environments37:14 - AI's role in linting and formatting41:45 - SquiggleConf discussion44:15 - Conference tooling and Q&A system46:33 - Future SquiggleConf plans47:13 - Picks and PlugsBrad GarropyPick: Philips Hue smart lighting system - Set up Christmas lights with Hue smart outlets for easy control via phone or voice commandsPlug: Brad's BlueSky account - @bradgarropy.comJosh GoldbergPick: BlueSky social network - Appreciates how it feels like early Twitter without spam bots and complicated server setupsPlug: SquiggleConf - Web development tooling conference returning in September 2025Amy DuttonPick: The Inheritance Games (book) - Describes it as an easy-to-read young adult fiction with puzzles, similar to Knives OutPlug: Amy's BlueSky account - @selfteachmeLinksMentioned in the EpisodeTypeScript ESLintESLint v9 migration docsESLint Config InspectorSentry Grave $750k to Open Source MaintainersOpen Source Pledge initiativeSquiggle Conf websitePrisma PulsePhilips Hue smart lightingThe Inheritance Games (book mentioned by Amy)Social Media AccountsBrad's BlueSky account: @bradgarropy.comAmy's BlueSky account: @selfteachmeJosh Goldberg's BlueSky Account: @joshuakgoldberg.comRelated ResourcesESLint Stylistic projectESLint Config PrettierESLint Plugin Prettier"Create TypeScript Apps" project (Josh's tooling package)Awesome ESLint repo (collection of ESLint plugins)Manual to Magical: AI in Developer Tooling: Tobbe's talk on using AI to write code modsNicholas Zakas discussing the ESLint config system on Syntax podcastTools MentionedHuskyLint-stagedCursorBiome and OXLint (Rust-based linters)GitHub Actions
